[Edward]

I wonder if at some future point if that becomes a sticking point, whether an SJC Long Fit diffusion line might be a profitable option without compromising the integrity of the main SJC pieces.

[swinglish]

If we put to one side for a moment the very real problem of order minimums demanded by factories, I don't see any reason why the SJC brand couldn't offer various lines for various markets / bases.

Maybe 'SJC' for the workwear / vintage inspired crowd (who realistically are a far bigger market than those looking for absolute vintage accuracy I imagine) and the 'Simon James Cathcart London' line for the tailoring / vintage accurate products.

Or is offering 'diffusion' lines considered to be 'selling out'? Certainly not for me, but then I don't demand 100% vintage accuracy.

What is certain is that, as SJC becomes more well known and the house style becomes more recognisable, other less vintage accurate brands will start taking Simon's unique design elements and begin incorporating them in clothes for the 'normal' market... Higher waist jeans, plaid work jackets, work shirts with subdued spearpoint or club collars... If Simon doesn't offer these products, someone else will, so why should SJC loose out on sales? Ivory towers are cold places to be if there's no money for the heating.

[Nik]

Exactly my point.

[Unkraut]

A workwear waistcoat with a straight or rounded hem can be a bit longer than a waistcoat with points. The points go to far down and make it visually longer.

Look at brown beach jackets for different waistcoat shapes. Those are more like outerwear and can be a tad longer than "suit" waistcoats.

[Edward]

Something I saw on Facebook brought me back to these.... I'd love to see them offered again in this v-neck waistcoat style.... But also, for when the occasion calls for something more workweary than a collar and tie - I recently saw a photo of something very similar from the 30s, except it had that high, round neck like on Sean's jerkin or an Aero Shackleton. I think that could be cool - if cut right, it could be like either a casual waistcoat or a 'bodywarmer' type jacket, without the ugliness of those sleeveless down vests.

[Unkraut]

Wilhelm Rübensteins waistcoat? I saw that too. Personally I prefer a bit deeper V to show collar/neckwear but in terms of warmth the high closing vests make sense. Brown Beach Vests and LL Bean type hunting stuff also closes rather high.

[Edward]

Wilhelm Rübensteins waistcoat? I saw that too. Personally I prefer a bit deeper V to show collar/neckwear but in terms of warmth the high closing vests make sense.  Brown Beach Vests and LL Bean type hunting stuff also closes rather high.

I like the V when I'm working with a tie too, but the higher collar is a nice ouch for more casual applications and as an alternative to a jacket as well.

[Sean Longden]

The idea of a heavy melton waistcoat/jerkin, made in a generous cut for wearing over heavy knitwear etc, is very appealing. I wear a leather jerkin regularly in daytime during the winter over a submariner. In fact, i recently gave Simon a pattern for a 1930s binman's jerkin that might be interesting. It is real rough and ready workwear.

[Edward]

The idea of a heavy melton waistcoat/jerkin, made in a generous cut for wearing over heavy knitwear etc, is very appealing. I wear a leather jerkin regularly in daytime during the winter over a submariner. In fact, i recently gave Simon a pattern for a 1930s binman's jerkin that might be interesting. It is real rough and ready workwear.

I've been intrigued by the Silverman's one in black with the inner pockets before now, though I'd ave been wanting to cut it much shorter, take off about four inches, make it more like a 'waistcoat' type of outerwear. I do have my eye on an Aero Shackleton soon as I shift some weight. Which is getting there, but taking too damn long....

[Sean Longden]

The Silverman's black jerkin is splendid. The pockets are really useful. I got one as a Xmas present.