[swinglish]

Yeah where did you get that blue and grey from?

Just black and brown.

That is I believe in reference to the structured suits. Simon wants to do those in grey and blue so he doesn't want to use those colours in the WW suits.

Precisely. So back to my original point; is releasing six different full three piece suit variations at around the same time - Winter 2018 - a good idea?

And are the moleskin suites we’re talking about now going to follow the pattern of the Workhouse Collection suit, the original SnP workwear suits, or the patterns of the new structured suits?

[Unkraut]

LOL as if wool suits would be ready in early fall. But I understand now. Thanks for the clarification.

IMO we need a really realistical timeline. Everything is "next week" or "next month" except this never worked before.

How about August: Blue Blazer
September: brown workhouse suit, black Norfolk
October: still selling the above plus heavy knit
End of October:Announcing Winter suits, they go live
Early November: they get delivered
December: those who didn't get a winter suit yet see other's wearing theirs and want one too. Yay Christmas sorted.

What doesn't work: Released December, delivered March. What also doesn't work: releasing cream summer suits when summer is almost over.

[SJC]

All correct and most likely happening just like that.
But you are wrong about seasons, i sold nearly as many polos in winter as i did in summer. People seem to buy all year round. Take aeroleather. So the cotton linen suits (and they are not lightweight) might tick over all winter just the same, afterall LA is hot until Dec. Is Sept-Dec not a season?

[Sean Longden]

Personally, if I like something, I am happy to buy clothes regardless of the season. A linen suit would be a good example - I would buy it in any season just because I like linen suits and would wear one through spring and summer, and into autumn.
However, I would be less likely to buy knitwear 'out of season' since I only wear it when it is in the depth of winter.

[Unkraut]

People might buy certain items year round but you have established a short preorder, on stock, on sale cycle for your brand which only makes sense in terms of seasons. Otherwise why would anyone pay full price. And suits are a bigger investment than polos so the marketing and timing has to be slightly different. On point.

I think all workwear suits are almost year round. But tweed vs linen?

[SJC]

Im trying also to play catch up here too. I intend to have all summer 19 pieces made by Jan 19.

[Sean Longden]

Good. I think that is the best way to work going forward.

[Unkraut]

Bravo. That's the right strategy IMO I believe selling summer suits in early spring would be a good idea too. If you can keep them out of sales for a while. Sales only on small items...

Im trying also to play catch up here too. I intend to have all summer 19 pieces made by Jan 19.

[Spritle]

I know the Beer and Rah-Rah jackets didn't get much love, but the idea of a collab with tattoo artists has stuck with me since we talked about it for the bandanas years ago...
Now that SJC is doing white suits, how about a white (or lighter toned) workwear get-up with some tattoo artist designed details? These pictures are from Ropedye's IG feed and are being auctioned for charity. Probably too big and bold for most here, but the idea is still pretty cool IMHO.

[bluescaptain]

So damned ugly these! Like prison clothes with Ed Hardy prints! 

[Unkraut]

Yeah but not really. I don't know anyone who'd pay big bucks for this. And the artists work should be paid for. A custom paint job could easily add 200 bucks. The days of baiting artists with free "exposure" are defo over.

Maybe find someone to do chainstitch embroidery on the denim jacket instead. Like just letters? Could keep cost at bay and would be a nice customisation.

[metatron]

Patches, leather jacket art, heraldry, things that have meaning to the wearer make sense to me but otherwise I am not a fan of pics on clothing, seems like a distraction from what should be the main event, your face! Lol.

[willyto]

Not a fan either. I find them way too flashy and unnecessary.

Brings me back to 2006 days with Ed Hardy T-Shirts.

[Edward]

I'm sure there's a market for this sort of thing, but it's one that's quite different from the SJC core, and I would lean to the view that it would be dangerous to chase a wider market if that means leaving your established core customer to view the brand as yet another company which promised the earth on the vintage front, then compromised it all for fashion...

I'm still well up for tattoo art bandanas, though.

[NCF]

I like the art but prints should be kept to T-shirts and the like, IMO.