[SJC]

Oh god my eyes. Eric! A 34 is 35" minus 1" very hot wash = 34 = 17" so bingo. Well done. Spot on dude.

[Spritle]

Thanks Simon, and Nik.
I still think that videos are the way.
You could show different cuts (30s/ teens/ workhouse) on the same person in the same size to show fit.
You could also show what sizing up one looks like. Or even sizing down for the younger guys.
I think a You Tube channel or Vimeo links are in order.
It will really help with customer confidence.

[Rudie]

To help confuse people even more you could show the same guy with low waisted trousers worn on the hips and then with high waisted trousers that have exactly the same waist circumference as the low waisted trousers worn on the natural waist.

Confusion to our enemies!

[Spritle]

Yes! This is exactly what we need.
"Normal mall trousers worn here...(size 32)...vs SJC trousers worn here _____ (size 32 & 34)...look like this....(advice, etc.)"
A 30 second video would say it all.

[SJC]

That sounds both horrible and hilarious at the same time.

[Spritle]

If the videos were humerous as well, it would be great!
But not negative or snarkey.

[willyto]

I think the real problem is that we needed to get Eric to wear high waist trousers in the first place. When one wears high waist trousers there isn't much confusion to be had

Your leather jackets will look even better with high waisted trousers, listen to A-1 from TFL, he's right!

[Spritle]

This is indeed the hump/ learning curve.
Educational videos will help smooth out transition.

[Nik]

It's easier to actually try the difference than to see it. Lacking the experience of wearing high-waisted trousers the mere view of them tells only half the story, as evidenced by wearers of not quite high rise repro trousers.
So the videos will be a challenge, just sayin'.

[Spritle]

I believe the key is to use "regular" people.
Not ones with model proportions. Buyers need to "see themselves" or at least a "semblance of self" to relate.

[Nik]

My shorts are 16.5" across the waist. Size 32 as are everything else in my closet, and they fit comfortably where they sit.
Did I do right by going 34 in SJC?

Seems just about right, yes. The natural waist on you is just about where the belly creases (near to its upper end). High-waist trousers sit nearly above the belly, low-waisted trousers sit somewhere near to the lower end of it. So the trousers either nearly cover the belly or they almost uncover it. Both versions are functional. If the trousers were to sit right in the middle of the belly, that wouldn't be too functional.

[SJC]

The cinch is a bit of extra fun too. I'm excited to see you in these trousers Eric.

[Spritle]

I've been mulling this over...
While I don't think I would ever wear the current workwear jacket (too formal), I would pair up something like this with the workwear trousers (in matching fabrics).



It's a bit more casual, and while many make this type of jacket... matching fabrics like the vaugan and other cool weaves would make it special.

[Unkraut]

Isn't that basically the USN shawk collar denim cut? Yes, I have tried to propose this idea too. In fabrics different than blue denim.

[Dr. Zippgunn]

Oh god my eyes. Eric! A 34 is 35" minus 1" very hot wash = 34 = 17" so bingo. Well done. Spot on dude.

....so how much shrinkage might we expect on a warm 40 degree wash rather than a "very hot" wash on a size 34 and a size 36?

I'm between sizes so the 34 unwashed measurements are spot on for me (35" waist) . I could handle a tiny amount of shrink, but not an inch at the waist. Also wouldn't want to lose more than 1/8" at the hem.